irockyou wrote:Also, about the Mayan thing: How did they come up with that date? It will be interesting to live on that day... see what will happen :wink:.
jinydu wrote:irockyou wrote:Also, about the Mayan thing: How did they come up with that date? It will be interesting to live on that day... see what will happen :wink:.
No, many "end of the world prophecies" have already come and gone. The universe has been around for over 13 billion years and it will certainly last billions more.
FortySIXandTWO wrote:December 23
iNVERTED wrote:FortySIXandTWO wrote:December 23
... That's my birthday O.o
iNVERTED wrote:FortySIXandTWO wrote:December 23
... That's my birthday O.o
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irockyou wrote:
Also, about the Mayan thing: How did they come up with that date? It will be interesting to live on that day... see what will happen :wink:.
What if the big bang, or creation of matter in the 3D universe, was simply the second dimension passing into the third? Likewise, the big crunch would be the third dimension passing into the fourth.
PWrong wrote:What if the big bang, or creation of matter in the 3D universe, was simply the second dimension passing into the third? Likewise, the big crunch would be the third dimension passing into the fourth.
Let me see if I understand you. We start off with a universe with only 2 dimensions. This suddenly expands into a 3D universe, and explodes in the big bang. Then it collapses into a big crunch. The universe then gains a dimension, and explodes again in another big bang. Is this what you mean? It's an interesting idea.
46and2 wrote:When the 3D universe converts to a 4D universe our universe would have to be destroyed (or just ended), which would be the big crunch.
irockyou wrote:Would it have to be destroyed, 46and2 (do you mind the shorthand)? All that's happening is another perpendicluar axis is expanding. Basically, it would be added to.
... something that I would also like to apply to the big bang theory. The expansion of our universe started when the third dimension began to wrap around the fourth. The universe will continue to expand around tetraspace, until it begins to close in on itself. This would be a result of some kind of 4D rotation that I couldn't even begin to explain.
As for the BB-BC, from your post I gather that you do not consider that dimensions create themselves or are, in any way, created. They are out there a priori, but they "reveal" themselves at singularity points. Am I right?
We agree on the fact that there is nothing infinite "out there", however I rephrain myself from making suppositions about the RP2, as I don't fully understand it. As far as I can remember, it is a self-intersecting manifold, so I tend to disagree, taking into consideration you don't run that often into points where the limit of the universe has two values...
(boldFont added)you don't have to see them intersecting at an angle.
(boldFont added)you don't have to see them intersecting at an angle.
RP2 is not the only 2D manifold to intersect itself. Moreover, I believe (but I'm not confident with it) that RP2 can be embedded in E4 without any more self-intersection.
So if we live in a 4D universe afterall, there might not be such points.
Secondly, I just realised RP2 does not have an interior and an exterior, and thus cannot be the limit of a space. I, again, am not confident with this.
Back to the subject, I still haven't understood why are you reffering to 2012. That's just an arbitrary number as any other. I'd say the BB-BC is the moment of "enlightenment".
thigle wrote:so by 'there might not be such points' what there do you mean ? objective there or subjective there. or something other.
thigle wrote:the thing is, what kind of interiordo you mean ?
you can see the way how RP2 bounds E3 this way
...was reffering to the "real" there, the objective one. The subjective is just a deformation of the objective one. Or perhaps the other way. Since the last time we chatted on objectivity and subjectivity I have somewhat changed my point of view. They are closely related, "two ends of the same pole" as you said, if I remember correctly, by the fact they are symmetrical one to the other. You cannot tell which one is real, and which one is the deformation of the other.
this is true for a particular conception of reality, and to a particular level of relationship.You cannot tell which one is real, and which one is the deformation of the other.
Another discrepancy struck me: the E3 is infinite, and thus it requires a infinite manifold to bound it. Therefore, I still believe it is not a RP2 what you're looking for.
irockyou wrote:Also, about the Mayan thing: How did they come up with that date? It will be interesting to live on that day... see what will happen :wink:.
Icon wrote:irockyou wrote:Also, about the Mayan thing: How did they come up with that date? It will be interesting to live on that day... see what will happen :wink:.
How old are you? Aren't you going to be alive by then?
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