moonlord wrote:If the Universe appeared at the beginning of time (minus infinity), then it must have reached maximum entropy by now.
The universe could have appeared 15 - 18 billion years ago, all I'm saying is that it didn't come from absolute nothingness.
moonlord wrote:So suppose the Universe appeared X years ago (finite X). Tell me why has it been an infinite period of time before the start. Or better, tell me how can you define something after an infinite amount of time.
You can define something as that something, whatever it is; energy, matter, whatever.
moonlord wrote:Now that I think it over again, time was created at Big Bang, and is undefined at singularity. So whether the singularity was there before or created itself out of nothing is actually the same thing. There is no before.
Why does time have to be created at the Big Bang? Time flows along well here, and there are singularities currently existing in black holes. Whether the singularity was there before or created itself out of nothing is definitely not the same thing. One is a logical possibility and the other is not.
moonlord wrote:As for the quotes, I can give none
When you find some that say that everything created itself from absolute nothingness please do.
moonlord wrote:If God created the Universe and set the rules for physics, then God exists. If God exists, then he can change the rules. Why are we still looking for them, then?
If a creator God exists, then yes he could change the rules, but have you seen evidence of this, or the opposite?
Also, there are those that have thought that the universe created itself from nothingness. Why then would those same people choose to try to understand the universe if it could change or re-invent itself on its own whim at any time again?
It's the laws we see, the magnificent beauty and order we experience that draws us to understand the nature of our existence. We certainly didn't create ourselves.
@Rob: Good points.
@house: Causality applies as far as we know, with everything we experience, so it doesn't make sense that something can come from absolute nothingness.
jinydu wrote:If God exists, then clearly God is either bound by the laws of nature or God isn't. If God isn't, then God isn't powerful enough to deserve being called God.
If God exists, then he created the laws of nature. He is "above" them, not bound by them. Why would you say that if he wasn't bound by the laws of nature that he isn't powerful enough to deserve to be called God? If God exists, and created the universe and its laws, he would be powerful, and would deserve being called God.