Hugh wrote:The necker cube reorientation is closely related to the VRI.
Though the necker cube reorientation resembles more a mirroring than a rotation.
Hugh wrote:The necker cube reorientation is closely related to the VRI.
Though the necker cube reorientation resembles more a mirroring than a rotation.
Hugh wrote:Aren't there 4d rotations that end up as mirrorings?
moonlord wrote:Hugh wrote:Aren't there 4d rotations that end up as mirrorings?
Yes, but it should be the other way (4d mirrorings that end up as rotations)
PWrong wrote:If you see the same thing, how do you know you're seeing it from a different axis?
Wikipedia wrote:VRIs are 90 or 180 degree instant rotations of one's visual orientation. They often happen when coming out of dark rooms or passages. There is, however, a difference between VRIs and simple confusion. The VRI is a distinct perceptual event. You know that your bearings are in a certain direction, then they are instantly rotated exactly 90 or 180 degrees. One theory is that they are connected to a hypothetical spatial fourth dimension.
danielmoore wrote:After reading this i went to experiment giving myself VRI's and have now become so proficient at it that i can do it while looking at almost anything, and improvement comes everyday
danielmoore wrote:if you are correct in your ideas and theories could this mean i may be closer to seeing in the fourth dimension?
moonlord wrote:Unfortunetely, no 3D being can see "in 4D", because of the physical restrictions. You'd need a 3D retina, and light would need three independent directions to travel to it.
moonlord wrote:To see in 4D you must be in 4D.
moonlord wrote:You're closer to visualising in 4D. That is, having it all in your mind. However, I don't remember having any VRI's so I can't tell for sure.
Hugh wrote:moonlord wrote:Unfortunetely, no 3D being can see "in 4D", because of the physical restrictions. You'd need a 3D retina, and light would need three independent directions to travel to it.
How do you know that our retina isn't actually 3D, and that the "independent directions" of light that "travel to it" aren't actually visualized with the VRI?
Hugh wrote:moonlord wrote:To see in 4D you must be in 4D.
Does a 4D being see in 4D? Doesn't a 4D being see its surroundings as 3D? Wouldn't those 3D axes be perpendicular to each other? Couldn't the fourth viewing axis be placed anywhere within that 3D viewing space and because of this, have a 3D necker cube type ability to flip between the possible views?
moonlord wrote:Because the effects don't match
moonlord wrote:I didn't make myself clear enough. I meant you see in 3D parts of a 4D landscape.
danielmoore wrote:seeing VRI's is one of the most amazing experiences ive had, everything that you are familiar w/ just swaps, the places are still the same but its like viewing it from an intirely different perspective even though you and all the stuff is in the same place that it normally would be.
danielmoore wrote:Last question, i just thought of it, Are people born with a different of the four viewpoints or are we all born w/ the same, i guess there really wouldnt be a way to tell but i thought it might be intresting to find a way to differenciate between them
danielmoore wrote:i was able to do it in the mirror which was pretty awesome
danielmoore wrote:but recently ive been reading nasa's reports on VRI's and and all the other spacial illusions and i dont really see where this is tied in with 4d. Yea the VRI's do seem like something that is so amazing it can only be explained by somethign like 4d but so are a lot of other things, most of which have simple 3d explanations.
danielmoore wrote:But if I do experience anything that hasnt yet been written newhere w/ my VRI's ill let you know.
irockyou wrote:I had what could be considered a VRI this morning.... When I walked outisde my door, I felt very strange, and all of a sudden my bathroom door was staring right in front of me. I did not move, but it felt like everything else rotated 90 degrees, just as Hugh described.
irockyou wrote:This experience allows me to argue more effectively that VRI's are not real, and are actually psychosematic (spelling?), but observing the conditions that created this phenomenom.
Facts: It was dark. It was 5 AM, and I was very tired. I was not half-asleep, I was fully conscious. I had a cold yesterday, and I was just coming out of it today.
Possible Conclusions:
- VRI's are real
irockyou wrote:- The environment and conditions surrounding the "VRI" incident effect my brain and my ability to think properly, and what appears to be a 90 degree rotation was simply me blacking out for an instant, staggering, and then coming back awake, not realizing I ever blacked out to begin with.
Being a skeptic, I opt for the second option. Can anyone else shed some light, or come up with other possible conclusions for this incident?
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