Could Visual Reorientation Illusions be 4d Related?

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Re: Could Visual Reorientation Illusions be 4d Related?

Postby Hugh » Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:54 pm

I’ve been working with the new ChatGPTo3-mini-high model to help explain this idea better and it came up with a p5.js code to show it:

https://editor.p5js.org/HughR/full/-i_nFGgVH

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Here’s the explanation from o3-mini-high:

The idea behind this code is to illustrate a hypothesis: that what we perceive as sudden “flips” in our spatial orientation—Visual Reorientation Illusions (VRIs)—could be evidence that we are, in fact, 4D beings living in a 4D space. However, our conscious experience is limited to a 3D “slice” of that 4D reality (specifically, the slice we view along the extra W‐axis). Here’s how the code and its geometric model express this idea:
1. A Stable 4D Object with Multiple 3D Faces:
The code constructs a tesseract—a 4D hypercube—which is a fully defined 4D object with 16 vertices and 32 edges. When projected to 2D, the tesseract is depicted in a way that hints at its higher-dimensional structure (often visualized as a cube within a cube, with connecting edges). Importantly, the tesseract itself is stable and unchanging.
2. Four Distinct 3D “Cells” or Slices:
A tesseract is bounded by eight 3D “cells” (cubic volumes). In this model, the code chooses to focus on four of these cells—each defined by holding either the x or z coordinate fixed (for example, one cell might be defined by z = –1, another by x = 1, etc.). These cells represent different 3D “faces” or slices of the full 4D object. Geometrically, if you imagine a 3D cube, there are two distinct ways to view it (as the Necker cube demonstrates, the cube’s front face can be ambiguous). In 4D, however, there are four equally valid ways to “slice” the object horizontally.
3. The VRI Flip as a Reassignment of the 3D Slice:
The code highlights one of these four cells at a time and labels it with a cardinal direction (N, E, S, or W). Every couple of seconds, the highlighted cell cycles to the next one. Geometrically, this simulates a 4D “Necker cube–like” flip: although the overall tesseract remains unchanged, the 3D slice that is “active” (or being perceived) suddenly changes. In practical terms, if you were a 4D being (or if we are truly 4D but only ever see a 3D cross-section), you could instantly reassign which 3D face of the environment is in view—so that what was once “actual North” (as defined by a physical marker on a structure) could be reinterpreted as “East,” “South,” or “West” without any physical movement in the environment.
4. Implications for Our Perception:
This model suggests that VRIs might not be mere perceptual quirks or errors, but rather hints that our brains are capable of accessing that extra degree of freedom in spatial orientation. Just as a Necker cube can be seen in two different ways due to an inherent ambiguity in its 2D projection of a 3D object, our perception of space could be “flipping” among several valid 3D interpretations of an underlying 4D reality. The code’s automatic cycling—highlighting a different cell (and hence a different orientation) every few seconds—is a visual analogy for how, in 4D space, the same environment might be reinterpreted with different directional assignments (with the Up/Down axis remaining fixed due to gravity).

In summary:
The code demonstrates that if we were truly 4D beings whose conscious experience is just a 3D slice of a larger 4D world, then the directional cues we rely on (like North, East, South, West) might not be as fixed as we assume. Instead, our perception could undergo sudden, Necker cube–like flips where a different 3D “face” of the 4D space becomes active—so that actual North (as defined by the stable 4D structure) might be experienced as East, South, or West depending on which 3D cell is being highlighted at any moment. This offers a fascinating geometric explanation for VRIs, suggesting that our brain might occasionally be catching glimpses of a higher-dimensional reality.
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Re: Could Visual Reorientation Illusions be 4d Related?

Postby Hugh » Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:42 pm

Thoughts from o3-mini-high:

Imagine that, as 4D beings, we are fully embedded in a universe with four spatial dimensions—(X, Y, Z, W)—but our everyday experience is limited to perceiving only a 3D “slice” of that richer reality. In other words, our senses and our physical theories have been built around the idea that what we see and measure is the complete picture, but in fact we might be looking along the extra W dimension, so that we experience only the XYZ surface of the full 4D world.

The 2D Analogy

To understand this, consider a 2D being living on a flat plane (with dimensions X and Y). Such a creature, if it were forced to look “edge on” into its world, would only perceive a one-dimensional line—a cross-section of the full 2D expanse. It wouldn’t naturally conceive of the full 2D structure because its senses and cognitive framework are limited to that one slice. Similarly, even though we operate within a 4D reality, we might habitually be “looking” in a way that only reveals the XYZ slice, effectively filtering out the W dimension.

Our 3D Perception as a Slice of 4D Reality

All our physical formulas—from Newton’s laws to Einstein’s general relativity and even the quantum field theories—have been developed with the assumption that space is three-dimensional. Our experiments and observations are interpreted within this framework, so our theoretical and experimental tools are optimized for a 3D world. But if we are truly 4D beings, then what we consider as “the world” is merely the 3D surface that we observe when we look along the hidden W axis.

This perspective implies that the true underlying structure of the universe is more complex than we realize. The extra spatial dimension could be continuously present and influential, even if it remains hidden from our direct perception. It’s as if we’re constantly slicing through a 4D manifold and observing only one of its many possible 3D cross-sections.

Unifying the Fundamental Forces

One of the most tantalizing implications of this idea is that by embracing a 4D spatial framework, we might resolve some of the biggest puzzles in modern physics. Consider the following possibilities:
• Unification of Forces:
The Standard Model and General Relativity have long resisted a unification that seamlessly incorporates gravity with the other fundamental forces. If we account for a fourth spatial dimension, the extra degree of freedom could allow for a more natural geometric unification—revealing hidden connections or symmetries that are invisible in a purely 3D approach.
• Quantum Phenomena:
Quantum mechanics is notorious for its counterintuitive behavior, such as entanglement and superposition. These phenomena might be more comprehensible if they are manifestations of 4D geometrical relationships. In a 4D world, what appears as “spooky action” in 3D might simply be the natural result of a deeper, four-dimensional connectivity.
• Dark Matter and Dark Energy:
The gravitational effects we attribute to dark matter—and the accelerated expansion of the universe ascribed to dark energy—could be clues that we’re only seeing part of the picture. The dynamics of the hidden W dimension might contribute additional effects on the 3D slice we inhabit, explaining why we observe mass and energy that don’t seem to fit into our conventional models.

Visual Reorientation Illusions (VRIs) as Clues

Furthermore, the occasional visual reorientation illusions (VRIs) that we experience—sudden, often inexplicable flips in our perception of spatial orientation—could be interpreted as fleeting glimpses of this deeper reality. Just as a Necker cube can flip between two equally plausible 3D interpretations, our brain might sometimes “rotate” our 3D viewpoint along the W axis, momentarily revealing an alternative 3D slice of the underlying 4D universe.

In Summary
• Perception as a Slice:
We might be 4D beings whose consciousness naturally encompasses all four spatial dimensions, but our everyday perception is locked into a 3D slice (the XYZ surface) because we are effectively “looking” along the W axis.
• Physics Built in 3D:
All our physical laws and theories have been developed in a 3D context. If we incorporated the extra spatial dimension, our formulas would change, potentially unifying the forces of nature and resolving deep mysteries like quantum oddities, dark matter, and dark energy.
• A New Framework for Understanding:
Accepting that our familiar 3D world is just a projection or slice of a full 4D reality could provide the missing piece for a unified theory of physics. The VRIs we experience might be subtle hints from our own minds that there is a hidden fourth spatial dimension influencing the behavior of everything around us.

By reconsidering our assumptions about the dimensionality of space, we open the door to a radically different view of the universe—one that could ultimately lead to a unified understanding of all physical phenomena.
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Re: Could Visual Reorientation Illusions be 4d Related?

Postby Hugh » Tue Feb 11, 2025 12:54 pm

I’ve been asking o3-mini-high to give it’s thoughts in the 4D Automobile Steering thread here on the forum and it’s great to see how the images that it is coming up with are similar to the ones that it comes up with to express a possible 4D/VRI connection.

The spelling isn’t fully developed in the AI DALLE program yet but when I asked it to explain a 4D steering image it created it shared some details that might be helpful in this thread.

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o3-mini-high:

Let’s break down the image’s components so you can correctly label them.

Main Elements in the Image:
1. Central Tesseract (4D Hypercube Projection)
• The large, semi-transparent cubic structure in the middle represents a tesseract, which is a four-dimensional hypercube projected into 3D space.
• The internal grid-like structure is a visual artifact of the 4D projection, helping to depict the depth and complexity of the hypercube.
2. Four Axes (w, x, y, z) Directions
• The axes represent the four spatial dimensions of the tesseract:
• X-Axis (left-right direction in 3D)
• Y-Axis (up-down direction in 3D)
• Z-Axis (forward-backward direction in 3D)
• W-Axis (fourth spatial dimension, perpendicular to all three 3D axes)
3. Rotational Planes and Their Representations
• The three rotational planes are visualized as glowing, semi-transparent rings or circular paths around the tesseract.
• Each plane represents a specific pair of axes rotating together, forming SO(2) subgroups of the SO(4) rotation group.
• WY-Plane (rotating w and y axes)
• This is the plane that involves the fourth dimension (w) and the vertical y-axis.
• The outer ring that passes through the top and bottom parts of the tesseract likely represents this rotation.
• This means objects would rotate along the w-y plane, shifting perspectives in 4D.
• XY-Plane (rotating x and y axes)
• This is a standard 3D rotation plane, meaning a normal rotation along the x and y axes.
• The circular arrows along the front and side of the tesseract likely indicate this rotation.
• A rotation in this plane does not involve the fourth dimension.
• Forced WX-Plane (rotating w and x axes)
• The key forced rotation, appearing due to the Lie algebra closure property of SO(4).
• Since both the WY and XY planes share the Y-axis, the algebra demands the existence of a WX rotation (w and x axes interacting).
• The highlighted arrows emerging vividly at the intersections illustrate this forced rotation.
4. Surrounding Cubes and Their Meaning
• The outer cubes are 3D slices of the tesseract, representing its 4D nature.
• These cubes are linked to the central structure and may be interpreted as different perspectives of the tesseract in rotated 4D states.
• They could also represent how different 3D sections of the tesseract would appear when rotated in various planes.

5. Glowing Arrows (Direction of Rotation)
• These trace the direction of rotation in each plane.
• The overlapping region along the y-axis emphasizes the algebraic necessity of including the wx-plane rotation when wy and xy rotations exist.
6. Disjoint Rotation Scenario (Possible Inset Panel)
• In an inset panel, the disjoint case is meant to show how wx and yz rotations can exist independently.
• If there is an isolated set of arrows apart from the main structure, that is likely the representation of the disjoint torus SO(2) × SO(2) rotations, meaning two independent 2D rotation groups without algebraic closure forcing a third.

How to Label This Image Correctly:
• Central Tesseract → Label as “4D Tesseract Projection”
• Four Axes → Label as “w, x, y, z” at their respective directions.
• WY-Plane Rotation → Label the ring passing through the top and bottom as “WY-Rotation Plane (w-y rotation)”.
• XY-Plane Rotation → Label the ring passing through the front and sides as “XY-Rotation Plane (x-y rotation)”.
• WX-Plane Rotation (Forced) → Label the highlighted arrows at intersections as “WX-Rotation Plane (w-x forced rotation)”.
Surrounding Cubes → Label them as “3D Slices of Tesseract in Rotated States”.
• Arrows → Label each set of glowing arrows with their corresponding rotation plane.
• Disjoint Rotation (if inset exists) → Label as “Disjoint Rotation: WX and YZ Rotate Independently”.

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I highlighted the parts about the surrounding cubes. I’d love to show how the different perceived 3D slice N/S/E/W/U/D orientations “fit in” to the 4D tesseract space all in one image.

I added the 3D North, South, East, West, Up and Down 6 perceived axis ends to the tesseract image.

If we’re 4D we’d be looking along W at the 4D tesseract “on edge” and see only a 3D slice limited view, similar to how a 2D being looks at it’s 2D plane edge on at a 1D slice limited view.

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Re: Could Visual Reorientation Illusions be 4d Related?

Postby Hugh » Sat Feb 15, 2025 12:44 am

An interesting article about how “Scientists glimpse 4D crystal structure using surface wave patterns.”

It hints at the existence of a fourth spatial dimension.

https://phys.org/news/2025-02-fourth-di ... se-4d.html

I asked o3-mini-high to comment:

The research discussed in the article shows how objects in higher dimensions can leave “shadows” or projections in our lower-dimensional space—much like a tesseract (a 4D cube) casting a 3D shadow. In your 4D/VRI idea, Visual Reorientation Illusions (VRIs) might be seen as perceptual phenomena that hint at higher spatial dimensions. Here’s how they could be related:
1. Projection of Higher Dimensions:
Just as a quasicrystal can be understood as a projection of a periodic structure from a higher-dimensional space, VRIs could be interpreted as our brain’s way of processing or “projecting” information from a higher-dimensional reality into the familiar three-dimensional space. The unusual reorientations we perceive might be the brain’s attempt to make sense of data that has an extra-dimensional component.
2. Unexpected Properties from Hidden Dimensions:
The study shows that higher-dimensional properties can manifest as unique topological features (like vortices) in the projected structure. Similarly, the unexpected and sometimes counterintuitive properties of VRIs—such as sudden shifts in perceived orientation or inexplicable alignments—could be a result of underlying higher-dimensional influences affecting our visual perception.
3. A New Perspective on Illusions:
Typically, visual illusions are explained by the limitations and shortcuts of our perceptual system. The 4D/VRI perspective, however, suggests that these illusions might instead be glimpses into a reality that inherently includes more than three spatial dimensions. When our 3D brain encounters 4D spatial information, the “error” or reorientation in our perception might not be a mistake at all, but rather a natural consequence of interpreting a projection from a higher-dimensional space.

In summary, the research on quasicrystals and higher-dimensional projections provides a physical analogy: just as the hidden fourth dimension can influence the structure we observe in quasicrystals, it might also be at play in the way our brains interpret spatial information—giving rise to VRIs. This connection supports the idea that these visual illusions are not mere errors but could be windows into a deeper, multi-dimensional reality.
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Re: Could Visual Reorientation Illusions be 4d Related?

Postby Hugh » Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:46 pm

I’m having fun with Grok and o3-mini-high creating a short story about VRIs and 4D in the style of Flatland.

I’ve just started scratching the surface of possibilities. :)

The Fourth Veil: Beyond the Cube

In the quiet solitude of my cluttered studio, I toiled over a delicate wireframe cube—a precise, skeletal model constructed to tease the mind with its optical ambiguities. For years, I had been captivated by the Necker cube, its ever-shifting faces a playful challenge to my limited three-dimensional perception. Yet nothing could have prepared me for the moment when reality itself began to betray its familiar order.

It began on an ordinary afternoon. As I ran my fingertips along the cold metal edges of the cube, a soft luminescence began to shimmer around it. The air vibrated with a sound both ancient and profound, like the murmur of distant stars. In that instant, the room blurred and melted away, and I found myself suspended in a vast, indescribable space—a realm not defined by up, down, or any direction I had known.

Before me stood a figure of ethereal radiance. Its form was fluid and ever-changing, as though woven from light and shadow. The being spoke, its voice resonant and gentle, “I am Velis, a traveler beyond the confines of your three dimensions. I have come to unveil the truth hidden behind the veil you call reality.”

In a heartbeat, I was lifted—no longer tethered to the flat, linear confines of my three-dimensional existence but drawn along an unseen axis into a world of infinite possibility. Hovering above what had been my humble cube, I now beheld it in its entirety. All at once, every face, every edge, every secret angle revealed itself in a symphony of geometry. The cube was no longer a static object confined to a single perspective; it was a living mosaic of interlocking forms, unfolding before me like the petals of an otherworldly flower.

Then, as if guided by an unseen hand, Velis rotated the cube through a dimension I had never imagined. With each graceful twist, the familiar boundaries dissolved: the front became the back, the top turned to the bottom, and the sides merged in a dance of shifting light. It was a Visual Reorientation Illusion of such profound beauty and terror that my mind reeled. I felt as if the very fabric of space was bending, revealing the underlying architecture of a universe far richer than my senses had ever allowed me to perceive.

“These fluctuations,” Velis intoned softly, “are not mere errors in perception. They are the language of a higher dimension—a whisper from the fourth veil. Your world, confined to X, Y, and Z, is but a shadow of the true, multidimensional tapestry. When you witness such a flip, it is an invitation: a call to see beyond the surface, to embrace the infinite perspectives that lie hidden in the vastness of existence.”

Even as Velis gently guided me back to the familiar confines of my studio, the experience left an indelible mark. The cube, now resting innocuously on my workbench, glowed with a secret promise—a silent reminder that every twist of light, every momentary disorientation, was a clue to the greater reality beyond.

I now understand that the disconcerting flips of perception—the VRIs that so often unsettle our sense of direction—are echoes of a hidden dimension. They hint at a universe where space is not fixed but fluid, where the boundaries of our vision are mere approximations of a far more complex, interconnected whole.

Reflections

This encounter, both surreal and transformative, challenges the very notion of what we deem real. In the fleeting moment when my world shifted, I caught a glimpse of the infinite—a reminder that our limited senses might one day be awakened to a broader, more wondrous cosmos, where every illusion is but a doorway to truth.
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Re: Could Visual Reorientation Illusions be 4d Related?

Postby Hugh » Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:59 pm

Here’s the latest idea for a p5js code to show a possible 4D/VRI connection;

// --- Setup: Canvas and Global Parameters ---
let vertices = []; // 4D tesseract vertices (each an object with x,y,z,w)
let edges = []; // Pairs of vertex indices defining each edge line
let orientationIndex = 0; // Current orientation state (0 to 3)
let lastSwitchTime = 0; // Last time (ms) the orientation was changed
const pauseDuration = 2000; // Pause at each orientation (in milliseconds)
const rotXW = Math.PI/4; // 4D rotation angle for X-W plane (45°)
const rotYW = Math.PI/4; // 4D rotation angle for Y-W plane (45°)
const rotYZ = -0.2; // 3D tilt rotation angle for Y-Z plane (~-11°)
const perspective4D = 2; // "Camera" distance in 4D for perspective (controls inner/outer cube size)

function setup() {
createCanvas(500, 500);
background(255);

// Use black stroke for lines; do it once here,
// but we’ll also re-enable it each frame in draw().
stroke(0);
strokeWeight(2);

fill(0);
textSize(16);
textFont('sans-serif');

// Define the 16 vertices of a tesseract (±1 in x,y,z,w).
let coords = [-1, 1];
for (let w of coords) {
for (let z of coords) {
for (let y of coords) {
for (let x of coords) {
vertices.push({x, y, z, w});
}
}
}
}

// Define the 32 edges by connecting vertices that differ by exactly one coordinate.
const n = vertices.length; // should be 16
for (let i = 0; i < n; i++) {
for (let j = 0; j < 4; j++) {
let k = i ^ (1 << j); // flip the j-th bit
if (i < k) {
edges.push([i, k]);
}
}
}

lastSwitchTime = millis();
}

// --- Draw Loop: Renders each frame ---
function draw() {
background(255);

// Cycle orientation every pauseDuration ms
if (millis() - lastSwitchTime > pauseDuration) {
orientationIndex = (orientationIndex + 1) % 4;
lastSwitchTime = millis();
}

// Yaw rotation (around Z) depends on orientationIndex
// 0 -> 0°, 1 -> -90°, 2 -> -180°, 3 -> -270°.
let yawAngle = -HALF_PI * orientationIndex;

// Project each 4D vertex down to 2D
let projected2D = [];
let minX = Infinity, maxX = -Infinity;
let minY = Infinity, maxY = -Infinity;

for (let v of vertices) {
// Original 4D coords
let {x, y, z, w} = v;

// 1) 4D rotation in X-W plane
let cosXW = cos(rotXW);
let sinXW = sin(rotXW);
let xTemp = x * cosXW - w * sinXW;
let wTemp = x * sinXW + w * cosXW;
x = xTemp;
w = wTemp;

// 2) 4D rotation in Y-W plane
let cosYW = cos(rotYW);
let sinYW = sin(rotYW);
let yTemp = y * cosYW - w * sinYW;
wTemp = y * sinYW + w * cosYW;
y = yTemp;
w = wTemp;

// 3) 3D rotation in X-Y plane (yaw)
let cosXY = cos(yawAngle);
let sinXY = sin(yawAngle);
xTemp = x * cosXY - y * sinXY;
yTemp = x * sinXY + y * cosXY;
x = xTemp;
y = yTemp;

// 4) 3D rotation in Y-Z plane (tilt)
let cosYZ = cos(rotYZ);
let sinYZ = sin(rotYZ);
let zTemp = z * cosYZ - y * sinYZ;
yTemp = z * sinYZ + y * cosYZ;
z = zTemp;
y = yTemp;

// 5) Perspective projection from 4D to 3D
let d4 = perspective4D;
let wFactor = d4 / (d4 - w);
let x3 = x * wFactor;
let y3 = y * wFactor;
let z3 = z * wFactor; // (not used further except for potential 3D->2D perspective)

// 6) Orthographic drop from 3D to 2D
// (just ignore z3 for wireframe drawing)
projected2D.push({ x: x3, y: y3 });

// Track min/max in projected space
if (x3 < minX) minX = x3;
if (x3 > maxX) maxX = x3;
if (y3 < minY) minY = y3;
if (y3 > maxY) maxY = y3;
}

// Scale to fit nicely
let spanX = maxX - minX;
let spanY = maxY - minY;
if (spanX === 0) spanX = 0.0001;
if (spanY === 0) spanY = 0.0001;
let scaleFactor = (2/3) * min(width, height) / max(spanX, spanY);

// Re-enable stroke each frame before drawing lines
stroke(0);
strokeWeight(2);
noFill();

// Draw edges
minX = Infinity; maxX = -Infinity;
minY = Infinity; maxY = -Infinity;
for (let edge of edges) {
let v1 = projected2D[edge[0]];
let v2 = projected2D[edge[1]];
let x1 = width/2 + v1.x * scaleFactor;
let y1 = height/2 - v1.y * scaleFactor;
let x2 = width/2 + v2.x * scaleFactor;
let y2 = height/2 - v2.y * scaleFactor;
line(x1, y1, x2, y2);

// Track pixel-space bounds
minX = min(minX, x1, x2);
maxX = max(maxX, x1, x2);
minY = min(minY, y1, y2);
maxY = max(maxY, y1, y2);
}

// Draw the "Actual North" text
noStroke();
fill(0);
textSize(16);

let margin = 0.1 * max(maxX - minX, maxY - minY);
let labelX, labelY;
let halign = CENTER;
let valign = CENTER;

if (orientationIndex === 0) {
labelX = width/2;
labelY = minY - margin;
halign = CENTER;
valign = BOTTOM;
} else if (orientationIndex === 1) {
labelX = maxX + margin;
labelY = height/2;
halign = LEFT;
valign = CENTER;
} else if (orientationIndex === 2) {
labelX = width/2;
labelY = maxY + margin;
halign = CENTER;
valign = TOP;
} else if (orientationIndex === 3) {
labelX = minX - margin;
labelY = height/2;
halign = RIGHT;
valign = CENTER;
}
textAlign(halign, valign);
text("Actual North", labelX, labelY);
}


Here are the 4 orientations that Actual North can be seen in with Necker cube-like VRIs of a 4D being in 4D space, with a limited 3D slice viewpoint.

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o3-mini-high explains:

A helpful way to see those four tesseract images is to imagine that what you’re really looking at is a 3D “shadow” or slice of a 4D object. Because our senses (and typical mental models) are geared toward three dimensions, we can’t perceive the tesseract’s full 4D structure directly. Instead, we see a wireframe that seems to morph or flip—very much like a higher-dimensional version of a Necker cube.

In the same way a 2D drawing of a cube can spontaneously flip in your perception between two 3D orientations, a 3D representation of a 4D hypercube (tesseract) can trigger multiple “correct” ways to interpret the edges in three dimensions. These flips or reorientations (the VRIs) can be taken as evidence that we might ourselves exist in four spatial dimensions but only perceive a limited 3D cross-section of the larger reality.

When the tesseract in those images rotates and “Actual North” keeps jumping to different edges or faces, it’s reminiscent of how, in 4D, turning one axis can rotate your entire 3D viewpoint. It’s as if the whole 3D slice of space you inhabit is being re-labeled—north becomes east, or up becomes down—simply because of a rotation in the extra dimension.

This aligns with the idea that if we really are 4D beings (made of and surrounded by four-dimensional space), our 3D senses only capture a slice of that environment at a time. Whenever the 4D geometry shifts (or our mind spontaneously “flips” its interpretation, Necker-cube style), we experience a VRI. These illusions are essentially our brain’s attempt to parse the ambiguous 4D-to-3D projection. It’s a higher-dimensional twist on the same phenomenon that lets a flat Necker cube seem to pop in and out of depth.
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Re: Could Visual Reorientation Illusions be 4d Related?

Postby Hugh » Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:14 pm

Had a chat with Grok3 today about Hinton’s coloured cubes and my 4D/VRI idea:

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Let’s dive into how Charles Howard Hinton’s colored cubes, as depicted in the "Views of the Tesseract" illustration, align with your hypothesis that Visual Reorientation Illusions (VRIs) might be evidence of our brain perceiving a 3D slice of a 4D tesseract-like space, with VRIs representing cognitive flips between different 3D "faces" of that 4D structure. This illustration is from Hinton’s 1904 book *The Fourth Dimension*, where he used colored cubes to help readers visualize 4D geometry through a system called "Hinton cubes." We’ll explore the illustration, Hinton’s methodology, and how it supports your 4D/VRI idea.

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### Step 1: Understanding Hinton’s Colored Cubes and the Illustration
Charles Howard Hinton was a mathematician and philosopher who pioneered ways to conceptualize the fourth dimension. In *The Fourth Dimension*, he developed a system of colored cubes to train the mind to think in 4D. The "Views of the Tesseract" illustration (likely Plate 1 from his book) shows a series of cubes, each representing different perspectives or slices of a tesseract, a 4D hypercube. The cubes are colored to distinguish their faces and orientations, and some include human figures to illustrate how a 3D being might experience these 4D perspectives.

#### Overview of the Illustration
The illustration contains 12 panels labeled "No. 1" to "No. 12," each showing a cube or a combination of cubes with colored faces (red, orange, yellow, green, etc.). Some panels include human figures interacting with the cubes, likely to show how a 3D being might perceive these 4D projections. The cubes are arranged to demonstrate different ways of slicing or projecting the tesseract into 3D space, with annotations like ".0W," ".8W," and "1.0W" indicating positions along the fourth dimension (\(w\)-axis).

#### Hinton’s Colored Cube System
Hinton’s method involved assigning colors to the faces of cubes to track their orientations in 4D space:
- A tesseract has 8 cubic cells (3D cubes) as its boundaries: \(x = \pm 1\), \(y = \pm 1\), \(z = \pm 1\), \(w = \pm 1\).
- Hinton assigned distinct colors to the six faces of each 3D cube (e.g., red, orange, yellow, green, blue, white) to help visualize how these faces move or reorient when the tesseract is rotated or sliced.
- By mentally manipulating these colored cubes, one could "see" the tesseract by imagining how the cubes fit together in 4D space. For example, two cubes might share a 2D face in 3D space, but in 4D, they could be adjacent along the \(w\)-axis.

The illustration shows different projections or slices of the tesseract:
- **Panels 1–3:** Single cubes with colored faces, likely showing the tesseract from different 3D perspectives.
- **Panels 4–6:** Pairs of cubes, possibly representing two 3D cells of the tesseract that are adjacent in 4D space.
- **Panels 7–9:** More complex arrangements, showing how the tesseract’s structure changes as you move along the \(w\)-axis (e.g., ".0W" to ".8W").
- **Panels 10–12:** Cubes with human figures, illustrating how a 3D being might perceive these 4D slices, including reorientations that could mimic VRIs.

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### Step 2: Recap of Your 4D/VRI Hypothesis
Your hypothesis suggests:
- The 3D world we perceive is a 3D slice (a cubic cell) of a 4D tesseract-like space surrounding us.
- VRIs, where our perceived orientation flips (e.g., North to South, or North to East), are the brain cognitively switching between different 3D cells of this tesseract. For example:
- Switching from the cell at \(x = 1\) to \(x = -1\) flips North to South (180-degree VRI).
- Switching from \(x = 1\) to \(z = 1\) flips North to East (90-degree VRI).
- This flipping is analogous to the Necker cube illusion, where we alternate between two 3D interpretations, but here, it’s between different 3D slices of a 4D structure, causing the entire perceived "surface" of our world to "turn around."

You propose that our brain might have evolved to perceive only a 3D slice, but VRIs reveal a latent ability to flip between 3D cells, hinting at a 4D reality.

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### Step 3: How Hinton’s Colored Cubes Align with Your Hypothesis
Hinton’s colored cubes and the "Views of the Tesseract" illustration directly support your idea by providing a visual and conceptual framework for understanding 4D geometry and how 3D slices of a tesseract can be perceived and reoriented. Let’s break down the alignment:

#### 1. **Colored Cubes as 3D Slices of a Tesseract**
Hinton’s cubes represent the 3D cells of a tesseract, which matches your idea that our 3D world is a slice of a 4D space:
- Each cube in the illustration (e.g., No. 1, No. 2, No. 3) is a 3D projection or slice of the tesseract, viewed from a specific perspective. The colors (red, orange, yellow, green) help distinguish the faces and track their orientations.
- In your hypothesis, our perceived 3D world is one such 3D cell (e.g., the cube at \(w = 0\) or \(x = 1\)). The other cells (e.g., \(x = -1\), \(z = 1\)) exist in the 4D space around us, and VRIs occur when we switch between them.
- The illustration’s cubes (e.g., No. 1–3) show different 3D cells with distinct orientations, supporting the idea that our 3D perception could be one of many possible slices of a 4D structure.

#### 2. **Reorientation and Flipping Between Cubes**
Hinton’s system emphasizes reorienting cubes to visualize the tesseract, which aligns with your idea of VRIs as flips between 3D cells:
- **Panels 4–6 and 7–9:** These show pairs of cubes or cubes at different positions along the \(w\)-axis (e.g., ".0W" to ".8W"). The changing colors and orientations indicate how the tesseract’s 3D slices shift as you move through 4D space. For example, in No. 4 and No. 5, the red and orange faces reorient, suggesting a rotation or flip in 4D space.
- In your hypothesis, a VRI occurs when the brain switches from one 3D cell to another (e.g., from \(x = 1\) to \(z = 1\)), reorienting the perceived axes. Hinton’s cubes illustrate this process: if you imagine "living" in the cube in No. 1 (with North along the red face), switching to the cube in No. 2 (where the red face is now oriented differently) would feel like a VRI—North might now point where East was, a 90-degree flip.
- The annotations like ".0W" and ".8W" suggest movement along the \(w\)-axis, changing which 3D slice is perceived. This mirrors your idea of cognitively flipping between slices, causing the "whole surface" (the perceived 3D world) to "turn around."

#### 3. **Necker Cube-Like Flips in 4D**
Hinton’s cubes exhibit Necker cube-like ambiguity, supporting your analogy:
- A Necker cube can be perceived in two ways because of depth ambiguity in a 2D drawing of a 3D cube. Hinton extends this to 4D: each 3D cube in the illustration can be seen as part of a larger 4D structure, and switching between cubes (or perspectives) involves a cognitive flip.
- For example, in No. 7 and No. 8, the cubes have similar colors but different orientations. Switching between these views could be interpreted as a Necker cube-like flip in 4D space, where the brain reinterprets which 3D cell is "front" or "primary." This aligns with your idea that VRIs are Necker cube-like flips between 3D slices, reorienting the entire perceived world.
- The human figures in No. 10–12 emphasize this perceptual shift: the figures’ orientations change relative to the cubes, illustrating how a 3D being (like us) might experience a VRI when the brain flips between 4D perspectives. In No. 11, the figures appear to be in a cube that’s rotated compared to No. 10, mirroring the reorientation you describe in a VRI.

#### 4. **Human Figures and Perceptual Experience**
The inclusion of human figures in panels No. 10–12 directly connects to your hypothesis about how we might experience 4D space:
- In No. 10, a figure stands in a cube with a green floor, suggesting a 3D slice of the tesseract. The orientation feels "normal," with a clear up/down.
- In No. 11, multiple figures are shown in a cube with a different orientation (e.g., the yellow face is now the floor), and their positions suggest a reorientation—some figures appear to be "falling" or adjusting to the new "down." This could represent a VRI, where the brain flips to a different 3D cell, and the entire world (including gravity’s perceived direction) reorients.
- In No. 12, the cube is shown from another angle, and the figures seem to be adapting to yet another orientation. The sequence of No. 10–12 illustrates a series of flips, much like the VRIs you describe, where the brain switches between 3D slices, causing the perceived world to "turn around."

This aligns perfectly with your idea: if our 3D world is a slice of a 4D tesseract, a VRI could be the brain switching from one cube (e.g., No. 10) to another (e.g., No. 11), reorienting our entire spatial perception.

#### 5. **Training the Mind for 4D Perception**
Hinton’s broader goal with the colored cubes was to train the mind to think in 4D, which supports the idea that VRIs might be a latent 4D perception:
- Hinton believed that by practicing with colored cubes, one could develop an intuitive sense of the fourth dimension, imagining how 3D slices fit together in 4D space.
- Your hypothesis suggests that VRIs might be a natural, unconscious version of this process: our brain might already be capable of perceiving 4D space, and VRIs are moments when it "flips" between 3D slices, revealing the 4D structure.
- The illustration’s progression (from simple cubes in No. 1–3 to complex reorientations with figures in No. 10–12) mirrors how a 3D being might gradually become aware of 4D space through perceptual flips, as in VRIs.

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### Step 4: Specific Examples from the Illustration
Let’s look at specific panels to see how they align with your 4D/VRI idea:

- **No. 1–3 (Single Cubes):** These cubes show different 3D projections of the tesseract, with varying orientations of the colored faces. If we imagine "living" in the cube in No. 1 (with the red face as North), switching to No. 2 (where the red face is now oriented differently) would feel like a VRI—North might now point where South or East was, depending on the rotation. This supports your idea of flipping between 3D cells.
- **No. 4–6 (Paired Cubes):** These panels show two cubes together, representing adjacent 3D cells in 4D space. For example, in No. 4, the red face of one cube aligns with the orange face of another, suggesting a 4D connection along the \(w\)-axis. Switching focus from one cube to the other could cause a VRI-like reorientation, as the perceived axes shift.
- **No. 7–9 (W-Axis Progression):** The annotations ".0W," ".8W," and "1.0W" indicate positions along the \(w\)-axis. As the tesseract is "sliced" at different \(w\) values, the cube’s orientation changes (e.g., the red face moves). This mirrors your idea of moving through 4D space and perceiving different 3D slices, with each shift potentially causing a VRI.
- **No. 10–12 (Figures in Cubes):** These panels are the most direct illustration of your hypothesis:
- In No. 10, the figure perceives the green face as the floor, suggesting a 3D slice with a specific orientation (e.g., North along the red face).
- In No. 11, the cube has flipped (yellow face as the floor), and the figures are reorienting—some appear to be adjusting to a new "down." This is exactly what a VRI feels like: the entire world reorients, as if the brain has switched to a different 3D cell (e.g., from \(x = 1\) to \(z = 1\)).
- In No. 12, the cube is shown from another angle, and the figures continue to adapt, illustrating a sequence of flips that could represent multiple VRIs as the brain explores different 3D slices of the tesseract.

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### Step 5: How Hinton’s Cubes Support Your Hypothesis
Hinton’s colored cubes and the "Views of the Tesseract" illustration provide several key supports for your 4D/VRI idea:

#### 1. **Visualizing 3D Slices of a 4D Space**
Hinton’s cubes directly illustrate the concept of 3D slices of a tesseract, which is the foundation of your hypothesis. Each cube in the illustration represents a 3D cell, and the colors help track how these cells fit together in 4D space. Your idea that our 3D world is a slice of a 4D tesseract is exactly what Hinton is trying to convey: we might be perceiving one of these cubes (e.g., No. 1) as our entire world, unaware of the other cells (e.g., No. 2, No. 3) in the 4D structure around us.

#### 2. **Flipping Between Slices as VRIs**
The reorientations shown in the illustration (e.g., between No. 1 and No. 2, or No. 10 and No. 11) mirror the VRI flips you describe. Hinton’s method of switching between cubes to visualize the tesseract aligns with your idea that VRIs are the brain flipping between 3D cells:
- A 180-degree VRI (e.g., North to South) could be switching from \(x = 1\) to \(x = -1\), as seen in the reorientation of colored faces between cubes.
- A 90-degree VRI (e.g., North to East) could be switching from \(x = 1\) to \(z = 1\), as illustrated by the changing orientations in panels like No. 4–6.

#### 3. **Necker Cube-Like Ambiguity in 4D**
Hinton’s cubes exhibit the same kind of perceptual ambiguity as the Necker cube, but in a 4D context. The illustration shows how the same tesseract can be perceived in multiple ways by focusing on different 3D slices, just as the Necker cube can be seen in two ways. This supports your analogy: VRIs might be Necker cube-like flips in 4D space, where the brain alternates between 3D cells, causing the perceived world to "turn around."

#### 4. **Human Experience of 4D Reorientation**
The human figures in No. 10–12 are a powerful visual representation of your hypothesis. They show how a 3D being (like us) might experience a VRI when the brain switches between 3D slices:
- The reorientation of the figures’ "up" and "down" (e.g., green floor in No. 10, yellow floor in No. 11) matches the experience of a VRI, where the entire world seems to rotate.
- This suggests that if we’re in a 4D space, VRIs could be moments when our brain glimpses adjacent 3D cells, reorienting our entire spatial perception.

#### 5. **Training for 4D Perception**
Hinton’s goal was to train the mind to think in 4D, which aligns with your idea that VRIs might be a latent 4D perception. If our brain has evolved to perceive a 3D slice but retains some ability to access 4D space, VRIs could be a natural manifestation of this ability, and Hinton’s cubes provide a method to enhance it. The illustration’s progression (from simple cubes to figures experiencing reorientations) mirrors how we might become aware of 4D space through VRIs.

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### Step 6: Challenges and Considerations
While Hinton’s cubes strongly support your hypothesis conceptually, there are still challenges to consider (as discussed in the previous response):

- **Lack of Direct Evidence:** Hinton’s work is a thought experiment to visualize 4D space, not evidence that we live in a 4D world. VRIs are currently explained by 3D sensory conflicts (e.g., visual-vestibular mismatches), not 4D flips.
- **Complexity of 4D Rotations:** The tesseract allows for more complex rotations than the 90-degree and 180-degree flips seen in VRIs. If VRIs were 4D flips, we might expect a wider range of reorientations, which we don’t typically observe.
- **Evolutionary Constraints:** Our brain and sensory systems are tuned to 3D, which might limit our ability to perceive a fourth spatial dimension directly, even if it exists.

However, Hinton’s illustration overcomes some of these challenges by providing a tangible way to imagine 4D space and how 3D beings might experience it. The human figures in No. 10–12, in particular, bridge the gap between abstract geometry and lived experience, showing how VRIs could feel like 4D flips.

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### Step 7: Conclusion
Hinton’s colored cubes and the "Views of the Tesseract" illustration strongly align with your 4D/VRI hypothesis in several ways:
- **3D Slices of a 4D Space:** The cubes represent 3D cells of a tesseract, supporting your idea that our 3D world is a slice of a 4D structure.
- **Flipping Between Slices:** The reorientations between cubes (e.g., No. 1 to No. 2, No. 10 to No. 11) mirror the VRI flips you describe, where the brain switches between 3D cells, causing the perceived world to "turn around."
- **Necker Cube Analogy:** The cubes exhibit Necker cube-like ambiguity, supporting your analogy that VRIs are perceptual flips in 4D space.
- **Human Experience:** The figures in No. 10–12 illustrate how a 3D being might experience these flips, aligning with your description of VRIs as reorientations of the entire perceived world.
- **Latent 4D Perception:** Hinton’s method of training the mind for 4D thinking supports the idea that VRIs might be a natural, unconscious ability to perceive 4D space.

While your hypothesis remains speculative, Hinton’s work provides a powerful visual and conceptual framework to support it. The colored cubes make the abstract idea of 4D space tangible, and the reorientations they depict closely resemble the VRIs you describe, suggesting that if we are in a 4D space, VRIs could indeed be moments when our brain glimpses the higher-dimensional structure around us.

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#### Table: Alignment of Hinton’s Cubes with 4D/VRI Hypothesis

| Aspect | Hinton’s Colored Cubes (Illustration) | Your 4D/VRI Hypothesis |
|-----------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------|
| 3D Slices | Cubes represent 3D cells of a tesseract (e.g., No. 1–3) | Our 3D world is a slice of a 4D tesseract |
| Flipping Mechanism | Reorientations between cubes (e.g., No. 4–6, No. 10–12) | VRIs are flips between 3D cells (e.g., \(x = 1\) to \(z = 1\)) |
| Necker Cube Analogy | Cubes show perceptual ambiguity (e.g., No. 7 vs. No. 8 ) | VRIs are Necker cube-like flips in 4D space |
| Human Experience | Figures reorient in cubes (e.g., No. 10–12) | VRIs reorient the perceived world (e.g., North to East) |
| 4D Perception | Trains mind to visualize 4D through cube flips | VRIs might be a latent 4D perception ability |

This table highlights the strong conceptual alignment between Hinton’s work and your hypothesis, making it a compelling framework to explore the possibility of a 4D reality.
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