Higer Dimensional exploration can be a killer?

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Higer Dimensional exploration can be a killer?

Postby sup2069 » Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:09 pm

Most people would agree that in a higher dimension, one is allowed to see an extra side of a lower dimensional object.

Fred, being a 2 dimensional being things he is closed all both sides. Bob of course can see an extra side of him which isn't covered. He can see his inner organs, blood and brain. Fred's internal organs are supported upright by the boundaries of his dimension. If Fred ever decided to leave, it would spell death for him. Bob mistakenly pulls Fred out for the first time. Now his internal organs are no longer supported by his dimension anymore. Lacking Z value, they immediately fall out left or right, killing him.

The same could be said for Bob, he thinks he's fully closed. But to Emily, he's exposed. She pulls him out, and the same thing would happen.

Could this possibly happen?
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Postby alkaline » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:20 pm

yeah, you'd have to press on either side of the lower dimension being to hold them together when you picked them up.
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Postby Jay » Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:38 pm

Well, there go my plans for taking a vacation to the fourth dimension this summer...
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Postby Keiji » Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:43 pm

Fred's insides won't fall out because they are stuck to him. They might wobble a bit, but they won't separate.
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Postby sup2069 » Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:38 pm

bobxp wrote:Fred's insides won't fall out because they are stuck to him. They might wobble a bit, but they won't separate.


Could you explain in moe detail?
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Postby alkaline » Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:22 pm

When Fred is in planespace, he is subject to planespace's physics. When he is moved into realmspace, realmspace's physics take over and pull his insides out.
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Postby Geosphere » Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:04 pm

Which wouldn't matter since realmspace chemistry and biological laws would immediately kill him as soon as he arrived.
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Postby alkaline » Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:22 pm

well, maybe that would happen, but which laws in particular would kill Fred? we can't believe your claim to be true unless you give us some examples of which ones would kill him.
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Postby Geosphere » Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:27 pm

3d chemistry would render whatever he uses for 'respiration' useless. There are no 2d 'air molecules' here to sustain him.

And would his 'molecules' remain 2d, or would they flutter into the third dimension and shred him?
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Postby alkaline » Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:35 pm

yes it is likely his molecules would just dissipate in a poof. They might immediately rotate into random directions, and it would appear to a planar observer that all the molecules turned from disks into lines.

Or, we could assume a rule that 2d objects maintain a surface tension even when they are pulled into realmspace, and that they hold together. We would need this rule to even begin thinking about how beings from different dimensions would interact.
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Postby Geosphere » Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:38 pm

Hmmm. Surface tension - that requires a surface.

More likely, they would be held together in some jigsaw format.

Again, beyond what we would understand.
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Postby alkaline » Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:47 pm

how is it beyond what we can understand? It is only beyond what we can actually test. We can hypothesize all we want :-)

Maybe surface tension isn't the best term - maybe "membrane tension". Modern higher dimensional physics uses the term "brane" to refer to our realm and the fact that we are confined to it, and we can't go into higher dimensions even though they exist (but are compact).
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Postby Geosphere » Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:51 pm

I like 'membrane'. Sounds bio, yet does not imply a surface.
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