Important Announcement About This Website

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Important Announcement About This Website

Postby Keiji » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:46 pm

This is a sticky in "Higher Spatial Dimensions" because apparently Global Announcements are not publicly visible (to non-logged-in users).

Hi all,

I want to announce today that for a variety of reasons, I may decide to close down this website (and others) permanently at some point in the future.

I have not yet decided if and when to do this. However, my intention is to give as much notice as possible if I do, and I would expect to be able to give at least a few weeks' notice. I also don't want to leave you hanging, so I'll try and make up my mind soonish and give an update with something more specific, rather than posting this and then leaving it here for years.

This applies to all web content I host - the forum, wiki, the classic pages, as well as other web content not on this domain, unrelated to Higher Space.

I have been pondering this move for years now - anyone who has been around for a reasonable time probably realises I've not been very active here for over half a decade.

I would imagine most visitors to this website probably know about the Polytope Wiki. This has far more content than our wiki, so I would definitely recommend it to visitors, and if our wiki somehow has some content that would be useful to them they don't already have, do feel free to share the knowledge. I have added an "Attribution" section on my user page with relevant info if you wish to use my wiki contributions anywhere, and to other editors of our wiki (there aren't that many of you!) I do recommend considering if you want to provide a similar section on your user page.

The Polytope Wiki also has a Discord server. Many visitors here are already on there, but if you're not, there's a link to it on the main menu there. Now, to address a point some might raise, this here Higher Space forum is a phpbb forum, and while Discord is a great piece of technology for many uses, I don't believe it is anywhere near as good as phpbb for what phpbb is designed to do and for what we use it for here - but I'm not aware of any other phpbb (or similar) forums around that focus on higher spatial dimensions. If you know of one, feel free to let me know, and I'll post it up here if I like the look of it.

I'm not planning on starting any new web sites. If I do decide to make a new place to host my own work (which I imagine would really mean "random miscellaneous blog posts on various topics"), my intention is to run a Gemini server for it, not a web server. If you've not used Gemini before and you're interested, I recommend the Lagrange browser.

There's probably a lot more I could say, but time is escaping me. I'm sure there will be plenty of questions, so please post them here (or PM or email them to me if you wish to ask anonymously) and I'll do my best to answer in a follow up.
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Re: Important Announcement About This Website

Postby mr_e_man » Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:15 pm

Thanks for letting us know!

:(

Maybe someone else could take over the site?
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Re: Important Announcement About This Website

Postby username5243 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:11 pm

The Polytope Wiki is - as the name implies - far more focused on polytopes rather than the more general fields on the wiki here. In particular things like the toratopes, tapertopes, and bracketopes that this site used to focus on aren't discussed much there, and the relevant notation pages don't exist yet. I suppose we could copy that text from the wiki, along with related developments (I remember we had quite a few renders of higher toratopes on here, for instance), but this hasn't been a high priority for the PD/Polytope Wiki regulas.

It might be a good idea also for someone to archive at least some parts of this forum, especially things like the CRF section. Although I suspect between the Polytope Wiki (eventually) and Klitzing's incmats pages most of those discoveries have been documented, having them recoverable might not be a bad idea.
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Re: Important Announcement About This Website

Postby Keiji » Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:38 pm

mr_e_man wrote:Maybe someone else could take over the site?


I considered this briefly, but there are a lot of technical hurdles in the way.

If someone does want to make a serious offer for taking over either the forum, the wiki, or both, I'd be open to a conversation about whether migrating content is practical. It would require effort from both sides, mainly for the task of separating the public content on here from anything else.

What I certainly can't do, for instance, is just hand over a disk image, or a raw database dump and file archive, and say "here you go! - you deal with setting it up".

Any custom coded stuff on the wiki would be really difficult to hand over too. For example, the automatically generated "incidence matrix" and "usage as facets" sections, and the tool that invokes Polyview.

username5243 wrote:The Polytope Wiki is - as the name implies - far more focused on polytopes rather than the more general fields on the wiki here. In particular things like the toratopes, tapertopes, and bracketopes that this site used to focus on aren't discussed much there, and the relevant notation pages don't exist yet. I suppose we could copy that text from the wiki, along with related developments (I remember we had quite a few renders of higher toratopes on here, for instance), but this hasn't been a high priority for the PD/Polytope Wiki regulas.


Indeed. The toratope, tapertope and bracketope stuff is much more inspired by Alkaline's classic work on rotatopes, and can easily be considered a separate "field" to the CRF, polytope, and incidence matrix stuff, which is more the Polytope Wiki's focus.
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Re: Important Announcement About This Website

Postby quickfur » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:41 pm

I'm sad to hear this. Is there any way of archiving the forum somehow, even if it's decided to discontinue it? Over the course of its existence it has garnered a lot of extremely useful information, and it would be a great pity to just let all of that vanish into the ether. The CRF crown jewel discovery threads, for instance, are unique to this forum AFAIK, and arguably have historical value. The toratopes threads too, as well as some of the interesting things that have come up in the 4D speculation discussions (though the latter is more debatable whether it has historical value).

Incidentally, I have recently moved to a different domain name for various reasons, and was just about to post something here to update links to my old website's addresses. The underlying server is still the same, though, it hasn't really changed. And given how little spare time I myself have, I'm unsure whether I'm up for hosting an entire phpBB forum (and yes, I truly prefer this over Discord). But hosting a read-only archive of past discussions is something I'm more likely to be able to offer. I would really hate to see this forum go, but if that's inevitable, then at the very least I'd hope it would at least still continue to exist as a publicly-available (and accessible) archive.
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Re: Important Announcement About This Website

Postby Klitzing » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:43 pm

Sad to here about that.
I for one surely have "copied" over most of the stuff I found interesting, i.e. made according pages thereon within my https://bendwavy.org/klitzing/ webpage. However I never aimed to do that as a complete mirroring of content. In fact I always am refering the source content here within my own pages. (And these links then would run into nirwana as well.) But much more deplorable would be that all that content of HGS not already being hosted elsewhere as well, would be lost!
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Re: Important Announcement About This Website

Postby quickfur » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:57 pm

Klitzing wrote:[...] But much more deplorable would be that all that content of HGS not already being hosted elsewhere as well, would be lost!
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Yeah, that would be a great pity. At the very least it should be made available as a read-only archive, if nothing else.
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Re: Important Announcement About This Website

Postby ICN5D » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:33 pm

Oh no ..... just reading this now. Well, I was wondering about that. At some point, Keiji may want to let it go. Lol, this is why I should have had a website, or blog of my own all these years. I guess that's what my little subreddit hypershape sort of did.


I believe the Wayback Machine may have backups of most of the site!!

Here's the latest one, from 7-13-2022 : https://web.archive.org/web/20220713184847/http://hi.gher.space/forum/

Bookmark it, I guess. You might not be able to log on, but you can still access most of the posts. So, not to worry about losing all the information here. Only drawback is that it doesn't capture every page, especially the wiki. But, someone can manually use the wayback machine to capture all pages here, while the site is still up and running.
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