Particles do not "carry" forces!

[darthbadass]

I am convinced that particles are not carriers of the fundamental forces, but they are by-products of fields distorted by mass. I think the answers to the fundamental questions lie in field concepts not some BS standard model. However, this raises a question: are there four fundamental fields, of one field that generates all forces? Anyone?

[jinydu]

While I have not yet studied quantum field theory, what I thought was that the standard model is indeed a field theory. Hopefully, I'll know more in a few years.

[moonlord]

Well, the GUT predicts that at a sufficient energy, all four forces (thus, all four fields) will be the same. Scientists haven't obtained those levels of energy, though.

[houserichichi]

QFT can boil down to the fundamental forces being smeared out over space as a field. The particles arise through calculations. Clearly particles exist, have you never seen a bubble chamber picture?

[pat]

Technically, you'd need a "massless" bubble chamber in a "mass-free" universe to prove that particles are not just a by-product of fields under the distortion of mass....

[darthbadass]

QFT can boil down to the fundamental forces being smeared out over space as a field. The particles arise through calculations. Clearly particles exist, have you never seen a bubble chamber picture?

No I believe in particles but you know at the quantum mechanical level there are no well defined edges: particles should therefore be merely condensed space-time. (which give rise to lots of philosophical debate: in this sense we are all connected to eachother through space-time) So there are no "real" particles in the sense of classical physics. But the concept that particles are force carriers is still BS.

[papernuke]

no i disagree with you, because if particles arent the carriers, then what are? and anyways if they didnt have force, and you are made up of particles, then how do you move and do stuff?




oh and jinydu, if you want to learn more about the quantum theory go to http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hph.html and then go to quantum physics anyone else is welcome

[jinydu]

I already know most of the things on that website Icon. I have studied some quantum mechanics at university. It's just that quantum field theory is a more advanced topic that I haven't studied yet.

[wendy]

One of the models of gravity is that it arises from the curvature of space, rather than an interaction of particles.

For a point P, one might imagine a circle of 360°, with a string around it. The length of the string is set out taut in space, but because some space affords more length than others, the string is longer in some degrees than others.

The force is by the pull of space, tends to be in the direction where the degrees have longer string. This happens, for example, where a negative curvature exists. The effect of the curvature is that stationary objects are pulled by the tension of space, into areas of negative curvature.

One cause of negative curvature is the presence of large masses.

Large masses, such as galaxies, are experimentally known to lense photons coming from behind them. The result is consistant with the nature of straight lines in curving space, and with the model of gravitons.

The model of electromagnetism is known to be quantum, and carried by photons. This is an experimental result.

The model of strong and weak forces, is also known to be carried by the interaction of transient particles.

It is possible that gravity is carried by quantum particles, although the scale of quantum gravity is well outside the range of even the most powerful cyclotron. The particle is something like 1e24 eV, well past the 1e12 that the current cyclotrons act at.

However, the nature of quantum gravity could affect space, but this is not clearly asserted.