Saying that there is time before the Big Bang is like telling someone to go South of the South Pole. It simply is not defined.
irockyou wrote:there was *nothing* before time.
irockyou wrote:The universe didn't start out with complexities, it started out as energy. When the energy was released, the energy was split and it collided with itself at extreme temperatures to create the complexities.
irockyou wrote:You're not reading my posts fully... the energy is created when time begins, because according to relativity, every bit of space has its own timeline.. there fore, time needs an object. So when time starts, the energy is created. This is not my belief, because belief usually implies something that isn't proven... as I said before, Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose already mathematically proved this.
irockyou wrote:In order for something to exist, it must start at some point.
irockyou wrote:There are two outcomes of this: nothing ever exists, because something cannot come from nothing, or something will eventually exist. Since we all exist, there must have been a way for something to be created from nothing.
irockyou wrote:The only flaw in this is saying that time didn't start, and that it has always existed. However, relativity clearly states that time cannot exist without matter; and since matter was first created at the Big Bang, then time also must have started at the Big Bang.
Hugh wrote:Does it sound logical to you that there was absolutely nothing, then time began for some reason and energy and matter created itself from that nothingness?
irockyou wrote:Ah, but see, there had to be a first Big Bang to prelude all of the other Big Bangs.
irockyou wrote:For example: you go back in time...That example has flaws, I know, its not perfect. If you don't look too deeply into it, you will see the parts of it that matter.
irockyou wrote:However, something had to make that nothingness.
irockyou wrote:If there is anything we can learn from Science, let it be that nothing can be infinite.
irockyou wrote:I noticed that you have used God in this thread a lot as well; if a God exists then he had to be created, just like everything else. He can't come from nothing, just like you or I can't come from nothing (according to your logic).
irockyou wrote:But the fact is that it is more probable for something to be finite then it is to be infinite. In fact, it is infinitely probable because there are an infinte number of numbers between any finite number and infinity.
That seems confusing... if that didn't make sense, I'll try to explain it again
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Hugh wrote:Please do. Smile
irockyou wrote:This means that it is infinitly probable that everything in the universe is finite.
moonlord wrote:There can be a single Big Bang - Big Crunch Universe that keeps repeating itself. Now you've got your third option.
Hugh wrote:Hmmm... I don't think I completely convinced you either.
irockyou wrote:Hugh wrote:Hmmm... I don't think I completely convinced you either.
Try... I want to hear your side too. If you can prove to me that it is more probable for something to have always existed than for something to have finite existence, then I will consider it. I try to keep an open mind .
irockyou wrote:The only difference between me and you is that I have Stephen Hawking on my side :wink: .
irockyou wrote:It is infinitely probable for a number to be finite. Take two finite numbers (x and y), and find the absolute number of their difference (z). You will get that: |x - y| = z. If you had to pick a random number between x and y, then the odds of it being a specific number between x and y is <sup>1</sup>/<sub> z + 1</sub>.
irockyou wrote:Now, let's say that x is infinity, and y is finite. The difference between x and y will always be infinte, so z will have to be infinity as well.
irockyou wrote:Therefore, the odds of a random number being picked between infinity and a finite number is always 1 in infinity. In conclusion, the odds of the number of infinity being picked is 1/infinity, and since there are an infinite number of numbers, the odds of a finite number being picked is infinity/infinity, or 1.
irockyou wrote:This means that it is infinitly probable that everything in the universe is finite.
irockyou wrote:Yes, I did make this up on my own, right now... which means I'm either a genius or I messed up.. everywhere . Please tell me if you find a flaw in this.
irockyou wrote:Yes, I did make this up on my own, right now... which means I'm either a genius or I messed up.. everywhere . Please tell me if you find a flaw in this.
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