bgavran3 wrote:Thx for the replies but why he gave us free will? Why he even created us? He knows what we will do when he creates us, and the his reason to create us is to see what will we do, will we be good or bad... so he doesn't have to create us because he already knows it.
bgavran3 wrote:Imagine again you're the god. Why would you create something, give it its properties (people cant fly, but birds can, people have free will, people can talk...) and then judge us did we do good or bad by the properties you gave to us?
bgavran3 wrote:And another thing thats really bothering me. Lets say I want to do only good and help other people. So, I see someone walking on the street and that someone trips and he'd fell on the ground and break his arm but I catched him, he thanked me and continued to do his bussines. If I didn't save him, he'd be in hospital alive.
So after I saved him I went home to do my businnes...
Later that day a car hits that man and he dies.
So I did a good thing by saving him from breaking his arm, but I also killed him, because if I didn't save him, he'd be in the hospital alive!
And the person driving that car wasn't drunk or something, he also did only good whole day.
Hugh wrote:bgavran3 wrote:And another thing thats really bothering me. Lets say I want to do only good and help other people. So, I see someone walking on the street and that someone trips and he'd fell on the ground and break his arm but I catched him, he thanked me and continued to do his bussines. If I didn't save him, he'd be in hospital alive.
So after I saved him I went home to do my businnes...
Later that day a car hits that man and he dies.
So I did a good thing by saving him from breaking his arm, but I also killed him, because if I didn't save him, he'd be in the hospital alive!
And the person driving that car wasn't drunk or something, he also did only good whole day.
You would have done the right thing by saving him from breaking his arm. You had no way of knowing that he would be killed later by a car, so how could you be held responsible for it?
Don't forget that anyone who chooses to walk along a sidewalk that has cars speeding by close to it runs the risk of being accidently killed. Also, anyone who gets into a car and drives it next to a sidewalk with people walking along it runs the risk of losing control of the car and accidentally killing someone. You have to take into account the free choices of both the walker and driver in that "accidental" death.
Bgavran3, your questions are all good, and you are exploring all the possibilities of the purpose of our existence. You have an enquiring mind, and I wish you success in your quest to understand it all.
I don't believe it's possible for the universe to have popped into existence out of 'absolute nothingness'"
"First, we have a free will, which we can use to hurt others if we so choose. We can also use that free will to help others, if we so choose."
"We can, in fact, all get together and collectively choose to not hurt each other and live together in peace and harmony"
"should God be blamed?"
"If I hurt someone, why should that person blame God instead of me? It was my fault, not God's. "
"Another point to realize is that we can only fully appreciate the good, when we know that the potential to do bad is available to us. I can choose to hurt my neighbour, but if I choose to be good to him instead, then the value of that good choice can be fully realized."
"If God created a world in which we were only capable of doing good things, then where would the value be in that?"
"One can look at a life lived by someone like Mother Theresa, and really appreciate the value of her kindness and love."
"The freedom to choose to do good instead of bad. That's the beauty of our life here, to be choosers of love and kindness. To help instead of hurt."
"What happens after we die is a mystery, but I believe that we will be judged on how we chose to live our life."
"That's what I like to focus on, is how I'm doing in my own pursuit of doing good and helping others. Using my free will for the good."
Hugh wrote:Bgavran3, you may be correct in your reasoning, it is a possibility that we don't have a free will, but I believe we do.
I also believe that there is good and bad, and that I should choose to do good. Most religions have some sort of common golden rule along the lines of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and that seems like a logical way for me to choose to live.
For myself, the problem I've found with choosing to believe that I don't have a free will is that my life then becomes meaningless. If I have no control over what I'm going to do, then why would I want to do anything at all? Who wants to live like a robot? The joy for me in life is in knowing that I can choose to do anything I want - within the bounds of the physical laws existing - and that I can choose to help others, and feel happiness, and love. That makes life worth living for me, and a wonderful gift to enjoy and be grateful for.
Nick, I spent 4 pages discussing the "something cannot come from nothing on its own" with you here http://tetraspace.alkaline.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=523. That was back when you were "irockyou".
bgavran3 wrote:That is what was bothering me too, that we have no choice. Everything you did, everything you're doing right now and everything you will do can be predicted. I got into thinking few days ago that humans will maybe make a program in the future (40-50 years) that'll be able to calculate the future (but not 100% correctly, I'd say 20%) like I posted in my post up there^^ and then people will be able to see who really did kill someone, who did this and that, are we alone in the universe... it'll be really amazing.
bgavran3 wrote:About the topic of the starting of everything you posted, I have my own theory thats connected to the theory of relativity. As we know, if you get close to the speed of light, everything will seem like it slowed down and if you actually reach the speed of light, everything will seem like it stopped and if you exceed it, "you'll go back in time". If that theory is correct, and so far I have no reasons to think otherwise, in the future, when someone first "time travels" and when we discover how the life on earth actually started (did we already discover this? I'm not really sure, sorry if I'm wrong) we'll just "go back in time" and put there something that made the life on earth start. So everything will loop forever, all out lives, everything that happened, in one word: Everything.
Thats just my theory, if you think I'm wrong please say why
Hugh wrote:Nick, I spent 4 pages discussing the "something cannot come from nothing on its own" with you here http://tetraspace.alkaline.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=523. That was back when you were "irockyou".
On page 4 you'll see where I said "You know irockyou, I wish you could understand what I am saying but after 4 pages now, I don't think you will and I am getting a little tired explaining it. Plus, when I try a different way you tell me I keep repeating myself so you know what, you go ahead and believe whatever you'd like. It's not my desire or job to convert you to my way of thinking. This is a forum to freely express ideas and have fun. Let's leave it at that on this topic between us shall we?"
Problem is Nick, whatever I say, you'll just twist everything around and put me down for it. You're free to have your own beliefs about things. Live your life how you want to live yours, you're free to do so. Cheers.
Nick wrote:To be honest, I don't remember anything about that thread or what I said in it. But I do remember getting frustrated with you, too. Another thing I don't remember is pretending that everything you said had no effect on me, insulting you, then pretending I'm the bigger man.
At no point in the above post did I ever twist your words around on you. If you can't think of a response, don't say "I'm done talking to you", just admit that you can't think of a response. Or at least say that you can think of one but you're too lazy to type it (if it's the truth), because as you say we're here to express ideas. If you have a rebuttal I want you to type it; the more I know and the more perspectives I hear from makes me a more knowledgeable and open minded person.
Yes, I use sarcasm in my posts, but believe me when I say that I mean all due respect to you. I spent a while on that post and it would be nice if you at least read it.
Hugh wrote:I did. Your post just confirms what I said previously. Sorry Nick.
Hugh wrote:Someone might say, well then who created God? I would say that God has always existed, so there is no need for him to have been created. It's funny to me how some scoff at this, yet believe in an ever-existing physical universe with no problem.
Why? How? wrote: What do we have to loose anyway? If you do believe in God and actually follow his teachings then you're making the world a better place.
If it turns out in the end that GOd doesn't exsist then what did you loose? You just made some peoples' earthly lives more comfortable.
Lumencha wrote:We are all God.
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