death in wormhole?

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death in wormhole?

Postby papernuke » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:02 pm

Ifyou entered a wormhole somehow wouldn't it have a lot of gravitational force, and then pull everything into it? But if it pulls a lot of things into it and you went into it also, wouldn't you get hit by something?
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Postby Nick » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:24 pm

Here is a wormhole as I see it:

Imagine a piece of paper, its a 2d world, your in it, blah blah blah. Typical 2d analogy that is used every ten seconds on this forum. Imagine you have a black hole on the paper; it has such a gravitational force, it curves the paper. Now, imagine there is a second wormhole, on the other side of the paper. The two wormholes curve the paper universe so much that they meet. Now, take an icepick and punch a hole in the place that the holes meet. That's my interpretation of a wormhole, please correct me if I'm wrong.

So, I think that if you went through a wormhole, one of two things could happen; 1: the wormhole is so small that only one object can move through at a time, or 2: the wormhole shrinks all of you to an infintessimal size; but it would shrink you and all of the objects surrounding you equally, so for example a rat is standing next to me as high as my ankle, if we all shrink, we would still be as tall as my ankle, only now both of us are tiny. Either way, no death. :(

However, the G's working upon your body, sucking you into the hole and shrinking you, would kill you instantly. So yes death :)
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Postby papernuke » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:18 pm

But then wouldn't everything be moving around and hit you? And whats an icepick (i think you wanted to say pack)?
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Postby duraultra » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:04 pm

An icepick is a tool. A long skinny metal sharp peice connected to a handle. :)
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Postby Nick » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:26 pm

As duraultra said, but I just wanted to add that there was an emphasize on the "skinny"; I chose icepick and not scissors because I wanted you to imagine a tiny hole, as opposed to a large one.
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Postby papernuke » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:43 am

But then wouldn't the stuff hit you or whatever still?
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Postby Nick » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:42 am

Use your common sense. This doesn't deserve to be a thread anymore :roll: .
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Postby PWrong » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:26 pm

Use your common sense.

That's not good advice when talking about physics.

The answer is yes, you probably would get hit by something, but that's the least of your worries. You'd be compressed and stretched beyond recognition even before you reached the event horizon. You'd be very dense, but the forces are so strong that you'd act like a liquid. If you hit something you'd just mix in with it like milk and coffee.
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Postby houserichichi » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:35 pm

Sorry, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a wormhole is not the same thing as a black hole. Worm holes are cuts/paths in spacetime that connect two regions (think Riemann surfaces). Where does gravity and its effects come into all this?
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Postby Nick » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:38 pm

The gravity is what makes the bridge.
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Postby thigle » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:05 pm

i always thought that the concept of a wormhole is a conjunction of a blackhole and a whitehole working in feedback.

but isn't it so that a wormhole is made up of bent spacetime, but where it leads is outside spacetime ? prolly i'am fully wrong ?

here is somethink which i find thought-provoking on the subject, but far beyond my understanding unfortunately (i don't get those damn groups and clifford algebras and... :cry: )

Wormhole Vortex Symmetries - Ordinary/Exotic SpaceTime: http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/worm4holes.html
BlackHoles: http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/BlackHole.html
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Postby Myriaract » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:54 pm

Of course a wormhole would kill you!!!!!
It's the same as 2 black holes!!!!! :sweatdrop:
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Postby Keiji » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:42 pm

If the mathematics behind curvature permits, a wormhole could certainly have enough radius to not shrink you...
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