wendy wrote:Black hole is a singularity: ie it is a zero-dimensional thing.
According to the current definition of the universe, the thing is made out of 11=dimensional paper, so it's an 11-dimenional dot, i guess.
elpenmaster wrote:to make a glome out of spheres, start with an infinitely small sphere (a point) and then add gradually bigger and bigger spheres (each sphere is one infinitieth bigger than the one below it). each sphere is wrapped around the one inside of it but is in a slightly different place in the fourth dimension. after you have gotten to the biggest circle that you want, start making the spheres smaller again but keep them "over" the others in 4-d space. you will eventually end up with another point. theus you have infinite circle stacked around each other (3rd dimension) and over each other (4th dimension)
wendy wrote:To make a glome (or glomochoron) out of circles, take a large set of circles, all the same size, and fibulate them according to clifford's rule. You will then cover all the points at the same distance from a centre over four dimensions.
Not hard, really.
Gilles wrote:Hi people,
Apparently, black holes aren't very well understood by science yet...
The laws we know here, are dependent on the mass of our being.
Gilles wrote:Time goes slower, close to mass, you must have heard of that.
Gilles wrote:Inside a black hole, time appears to be standing still, but that is only from our point of vieuw.
Gilles wrote:From inside the black hole, time just goes normally, but time outside the black hole goes extremely fast.
Gilles wrote:The physical laws there are allso proportional to ours, so extremely compact molecules and atoms actualy exist inside black holes, and so does life, it's just a bit smaller.
Gilles wrote:You could, if you wanted, call black holes parallel universes, so they have nothing to do with being one or zero-dimensional, cos the whole thing is just infintitely dimensional (so forget the 11).
Gilles wrote:By the way, if you think this story can't be true, remember Einstein said that everything is just energy, so it can actualy be, anyway, i beleive in it, havin' invented it myself :wink: .
Gilles wrote:So infinite mass is just crap, the whole universe consits of structured energy.
Gilles wrote:For those who beleive in the big bang, and a beginning of time, there was no beginning. The universe we live in, has ever been, and will ever be. No entropy complications needed in this theory, time will not reverse, if our consiounce won't. Before now, there was just a little more compact universe.
Gilles wrote:It expands forever, but we are also a black hole an a bigger universe. Every universe contains an awfull lot of black holes, wich contain another awfull lot, so, yes, the whole is quite big.
Now forget all that, and live for today. It's all an illusion anyway.
For those who beleive in the big bang, and a beginning of time, there was no beginning. The universe we live in, has ever been, and will ever be. No entropy complications needed in this theory, time will not reverse, if our consiounce won't. Before now, there was just a little more compact universe.
Gilles wrote:Acoording to our physic laws, a black hole can't exist.
Gilles wrote:You tell me that there's no possibility to life inside a black hole, but you know as well as I do, that you don't have evindence for that either. You might have some mathematical formula's, but black holes aren't actualy understood (yet). I only say that life as we know it could exist in a black hole. No proof, just a possibility, and quantum physics states that all possibilities actualy exist. So aswell as there is life in black holes, there isn't life in black holes, life as we know it, and life that we can't even imagine.
Gilles wrote:Now, you might forget that part, cos it get's quite complicated, but I'd like to get on to the 2nd law of thermodynamics now.
As you said, "The Second Law of Thermodynamics simply states that the total entropy of the Universe must increase with time. Why is this a complication? ". The complication of it is, that there must have been a state of minimal entropy.
We might both agree that there wasn't, cos it's just ridiculous, but that would make us be able to go back in time forever.
Gilles wrote:This makes the universe of the infinite past infinitely compact. So we agree, but infinite time is needed for that. And a big bang, contradicts infinite time...
Gilles wrote:The universe of the past was more compact then it is now, if, and only if, it has an end.
Gilles wrote:The big bang theory contradicts ideas, that the infinite time theory doesn't, so why not accept it?
Gilles wrote:You ask for an energy supply for black holes? Where do you think the light goes, that black holes keep absorbing? That's energy, my friend. The universe our universe is a black hole in, supplies us energy, aswell as we supply energie to the "smaller" universes.
Gilles wrote:Everything grows, but at the same time it shrinks, cos time is an illusion, the thing that connects spaces, why would it have a direction?
Gilles wrote:There are no observations supporting this idea, no. And they'll never come,
Gilles wrote:The very problem in your reasoning, Jindy, is that you only speak about the general relativity theory.
Gilles wrote:We don't only have that theory, we also have quantum physics.
General relativity looks at blank holes from outside, and what may appear to happen from outside, is not necesarily happening inside. It might just be depending on where you look at it.
Gilles wrote:I'm just stating, that integrating the two, leads to a vision of black holes as parralel universes.
Gilles wrote:No proofs. I'm not good enough in maths for that, and I don't want to force you to beleive me. It might be a bit contradictory with your point of view, but hasen't it allways been the case with new scientific theories?
Gilles wrote:
I'm just stating, that integrating the two, leads to a vision of black holes as parralel universes.
In short, that is false. Quantum physics does not predict the existence of parallel universes in a black hole. It does predict that spacetime oscillates chaotically near the singularity.
if you don't have a better suggestion. Or do you?No it doesn't
Gilles wrote:I got my incorrect information out of the 5th dimension, thought itself. Other entities sent me what I wanted to catch.
But I know it's always easyest and safest to hold on to what you've learnt.
If anything, this board would need a fourth topic other than General, Geometry, and Space&Time to fit in what you talk about...yours isn't science, it's metascience and philosophy at best. You should request a forum to discuss your thoughts freely!!!
immitation crab salad wrote:If all life uses chemicals, how can life exist in a blackhole where the forces are so great that the atoms are broken up into subatomic particles, so there could be no chemicals that life uses because there is no whole atoms???
(I'm not completely positive that my info is correct, so feel free to tell me if my info is wrong)
Watters wrote:Hi, (not to sure about idea just shooting out my thoguhts)
So in flatland (2d) a person walking towards a sphear (which would look like a slice of a sphear, and there for bea circal) feels a gravitational pull from the 3rd dimension, and feels extreem presure because of it, Now i am just regurgitation stuff, but doesn't it seem liek that is the same stuff that happeds around black holes. ANd if so then how does stacking shpears beside each other make a 4th dimension. (this message makes no sence to anyone who hasn't read flatland) i want other peoples opinion on teh subject.
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